“Type 4s” elsewhere

We call them Type 4s since they are the 4th kind of train in TriMet’s fleet, but the actual vehicle model (Siemens S70) is used in several other transit districts where it wouldn’t be called that.

Here’s a look at the Utah TRAX version – like all other versions of this train with the exception of TriMet, there’s a cab in both ends (ours has a cab only in the A-end). TRAX apparently requested a shorter model for their trains as the cabs look smaller and the front of the train seems to be more blunted than TriMet’s. The interior seating configuration is also different.


And here’s how one of the cars is built in a video for Norfolk’s TIDE light rail.


This is someone’s video out the front of one of the cars in San Diego. I envy the mirrors on the San Diego trains – TriMet decided to use cameras instead of external mirrors for the Type 4s, which are not nearly as effective as mirrors.

Right-side camera in a TriMet Type 4


In Charlotte on the LYNX.


And Houston’s METRO, which has the dubious honor of being the one of the most accident-ridden light rail systems.


Et en France, il y a le tram-train qui utilise ces mêmes trains Siemens. Cette vidéo de “burn-in” montre l’extérieur, et aussi quelques vues de l’intérieur. Mais la configuration de la cabine est assez différente de la nôtre:

L’intérieur de la cabine

And the inside of ours – (photo archived by Jason McHuff, not sure who originally took it)

Type 4, the day it was unloaded at Ruby Junction

The Type 2s and 3s (official model is Siemens S660) and the specific Bombardier model that is our Type 1 weren’t used by other transportation agencies as far as I’m aware.

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5 responses to ““Type 4s” elsewhere

  1. How long to MAX trains last? Is there some point at which the Type 1 trains will get replaced with Type 4s or some other newer model?

    • A train car can last about 40-50 years. Right now the Type 1s don’t really need to be replaced – they still work fine and can safely service passengers. Their biggest downside is that they aren’t wheelchair-accessible, but they will always be coupled to a low-floor car that is which is an acceptable solution to that issue. You might be interested in this TriMet TV episode on how the older cars are refurbished, which is much less expensive than purchasing a new car outright.

  2. “TRAX apparently requested a shorter model for their trains as the cabs look smaller and the front of the train seems to be more blunted than TriMet’s. ”

    San Diego MTS Trolley has ordered the same (Qty 57) to start arriving in 2012, the “blunted” end makes the cars shorter by 9 feet, so San Diego could still use 3 car trains within their platforms.

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